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Qin Shi Huang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.07 21:57:00 -
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I'm sure there are many other threads discussing the NAGA, but I don't give a hoot. I just re-subscribed to fly a Torp NAGA and now the NAGA is a Hybrid gunboat - WTF!
I don't care about the theoretical role as a "sniping platform" - I have never been in a sniper fleet and I struggle to see how a long-range ****-poor DPS fleet will do as a tactical concept. I guess we need Pandemic Legion to get their heads out of thier collective assess and figure this out.
Crucible is a great release - it's a way in the right direction. Making the NAGA a gunboat is a result of 60+M SP Chars cracking the numbers on how they can use it. Not how it was intended - the NAGA was intended to be a poor mans choice (SP & ISK) to fight the Super-Cap spam.
My NAGA needs Torpedoes and my Hawk needs the 4th bonus. |
Qin Shi Huang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:04:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Im not even going to reply with a suitable answer because its been said so many times in the other threads 'you dont give a hoot' about.
I just re-subscribed because I read in EURO gamer that the NAGA was Torpedo armed. Why would I follow the release notes of a game that I basically left after Incarnage? |
Qin Shi Huang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:23:00 -
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Not a single reply tried to even remotely justify the hyprid NAGA. A few posts even attacked my source of information. Too funny. |
Qin Shi Huang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:45:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Qin Shi Huang wrote:Not a single reply tried to even remotely justify the hyprid NAGA. A few posts even attacked my source of information. Too funny. I watched quite a few youtube vids of the Naga literally raping battleships with Torps. It was completely overpowered. While I was looking forward to using it for Torps I can see the justification for removing them. I would have, however, given it the option to at least use all the other missiles below Torps. That being said...I was around when sniper fleets were popular and useful. With the changes to rails specifically and with the Naga I can see sniper fleets being useful again. I miss the days of sitting at 200km with rails and doling out damage. Granted it was never a LOT of damage but it was enough when you were the backup to the main close range fleet.
Thank you. There is of course a way to balance a Torp NAGA - we/they just havn't figured it out yet.
I was not around when sniper fleets were popular and since i'm Caldari I have realized that the Caldari has not learned from history. My Cerberus is rusting away and my Scorpion is fitted with dual 1600mm RT so I can play a role in RR/BS fleets. Working as instended?
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Qin Shi Huang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.08 10:40:00 -
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Give it a rest with the fracking patch notes :) of course I read them .. after re-subbing.
I guess i'll just sit in station and spin one of the other very popular Caldari gunboats while training hybrids and dreaming about a cost-efficient Caldari PVP missile boat. The spin counter is excellent! My life now has meaning. Specializing in weapons is for wussies - i'll train lazors next. |
Qin Shi Huang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.08 14:48:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium: Thanks for the explanation.
Rhinanna wrote:Quote:dreaming about a cost-efficient Caldari PVP missile boat. You realise that is an EXACT description of the drake??????
Yes - in the same way a cost-efficient Gallente PVP gunboat could be Brutix or Talos  |
Qin Shi Huang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:40:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Amro One wrote:To the morons that want a torp naga.
There are 8 gun slot BS in eve, so 8 gun BC makes sense.
There is only 1 ship in all of eve that can fit 8 torps and that worth a few 100b.
So a BC with 8 torps does NOT make sense.
Think before you speak morons.
P.S. - We all know you would ***** if the naga was forced to uses 6 torps. No need to be such an ass. eAnonymity FTW I guess. The main complaint is that many dedicated Caldari pilots went nearly solely into missiles, so for many the Naga is currently out of reach without a couple months training (for T2). I'd have loved a torp boat personally. Initially the hybridization of the Naga made me sad and right it off... however hybrids are currently being trained now so I'll be getting one of these puppies with T1 guns initially to get a feel for it... maybe see how it does against a few customs offices or the like. I like the potential role they can play in a POS bash, especially in a C1. I don't know if the tank would survive the guns, however for taking it to reinforced once the guns are incapped... it holds promise. Basically, due to the prior Caldari paradigm, this change put the Naga as a "future" ship for many as opposed to the others, which were instantly "current" ships. That's all. People aren't looking forwards to training up the guns, but in time, they will.
+1 I have avoided hybrids for almost two years as I was planning to take my Caldari character directly to capitals. My first CEO gave me the sound advice to only fly what you fly well and specialize in a few things instead of being a jack of all trades. It's easy to do everything when you have 40M SP, but around 10-20M you'll have to prioritize and make sacrifices. |
Qin Shi Huang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.12.08 20:19:00 -
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Jhan Niber wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:Tippia wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:The main complaint is that many dedicated Caldari pilots went nearly solely into missiles
Pff. That just made them poorly dedicatedGǪ  Perhaps, but I'm a good example... my combat pilot did exactly this. All I've heard of training into is the drake, the drake or optionally the drake. Hence, missile dedication. Now it like... gunz? Gunz. Guhns? Guuuuuunnnnnnzzzzzzssss.... So, you're learning that some of your racial ships aren't quite fitting into it's stereotypical categories just like every other race has. I'm a pure Minmatar pilot and I have focused primarily on Projectile weapons, but if I want to fly a Typhoon well I'm going to have to learn to use missiles and drones well. Amarrians have their few missile based ships as well like the Malediction, the Sacrilege, and certain versions of the Legion. The Gallente are very drone and armor heavy, but then you have the Hyperion which is a big shield tanked blaster boat, so just be happy they didn't force the Naga to work best with armor on top of everything.
An armour tanked Caldari BC with 7 Torp launchers? I freakin love the idea. The NAGA is already slower than the armour heavy Talos, so why not. Anyway, as the CCP dev explained earlier: we know that missiles sucks donkey balls, so we made it a gunboat.
Should I fly the Talos or the Naga? (no skill requirements) 7.5% Tracking bonus vs. 10% to optimal. 200K range or 150K. Damn, too many options. |
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